Filed under: gameplay, on gaming, operations | Tags: 8-player, agent, healing, operations, operative
Last week, my guild journeyed into our first 16-man operation. We filled out the raid with 11 guildies and 5 pugs. Further, we use Mumble which tends to be the rarest of voice-type programs and it’s too much hassle to get people who are unfamiliar with the program into the channel. So we didn’t bother.
Heck, in our WoW guild we used to joke that’s a secret part of the trial. If you can’t figure out how to get into Mumble before your trial is up, you don’t get to stay in the guild. =P
Now please understand. The list that follows is entirely based on my anecdotal experience. It’s opinion.
I really hope I’m not done with 16s permanently but for right now this one experience was enough to scare me away until things get patched up.
16-mans: The a-Peal:
- Large groups feel more epic. More coordination. I felt like a healer-team lead instead of just the one healer who bosses around the other. I love large group play.
- Damage happens hard and fast. I was a dedicated tank healer and it was fun to feel like my Operative was really filling a unique niche role in the group. It didn’t even bother me when we had to stack up for AoE heals and mine ended up being pathetic; I’d saved the day several times with my big, fast single target heals before the last phase. Healing class uniqueness really shines in 16s.
16-mans: The Appall:
- Lag-fest. My computer was less penalized than I expected, but I saw just about everyone else grind to a painful halt with all the extra stuff going on. Apparently it’s a known issue and it isn’t a matter of your computer being “good enough” or not.
- Trash is ridiculously hard. Things hit so much harder so it’s highly important for tanks to be taking every hit. But then you have 10 DPS and 4 healers doing their thing so the odds of someone getting one-shot are pretty good. Twitch reflexes seemed necessary, but did I mention the part about lag?
- The one boss we did felt well-tuned enough but battle rezes work the same in 8s as they in 16s. So it feels like in 16 you are penalized. Not only do people die faster and suffer from computer lockup, you only get 50% forgiveness (Okay, that’s not true at all. That’s just how it feels).
All these things combined made our one 16 feel at least four times harder than our experiences in 8. We poked our heads into 8-Hard last week and while we hit the enrage timer at 30%, it felt more achievable as a long term goal than 16-normal. And seriously, why would anyone want to bang their head against the wall on 16s for normal gear when those groups could split and focus on 8-hards?
But then, like the title says, we didn’t try all that hard. We spent about 2 hours actually raiding of a normal 3 hour session (1/2 hour to filling the raid with pugs, called early when one of those pugs “ran into bad weather and may lose internet”. Except, pro tip: If you’re going to fake DC, don’t log out… It removes you from the raid and we know you logged out. To convincingly fake DC, you have to alt-F4 the game).
I’m a bit sad since I do enjoy the larger group sizes. It just feels more epic when I’m a part of an army and with 16 players, odds are good that all advanced classes and specs are well-represented. It’s group diversity at it’s finest. I hope that Bioware makes the changes they need to make to encourage more 16s so I can dip my toes in again.
Till then, I’ll enjoy being the only Operative in the raid. 🙂
Filed under: gameplay, operations | Tags: 8-player, healing, mmorpgs, operations, world of warcraft
8-man, 16-man, normal mode, hard mode, nightmare mode. There’s a ton of different options to keep us occupied.
8-mans are (logically) the most accessible. Smaller group sizes are easier to put together on a whim.
I haven’t set foot into a 16 yet but I think that was always the goal for me, the larger size. A vicious rumor is going around that I can’t verify: that 16-regulars are actually tuned harder than 8-hards. Whether or not this is true, it makes us reluctant to pug and my guild is growing. We’re a bit bigger than an 8 but definitely not big enough to be 16. Growing can be difficult.
I’ve cleared EV 8-Regular (that’s a lot of information, isn’t it, just to say I completed one Operation?) twice now. I don’t want to call it “easy” because that isn’t the right word. It’s accessible. It’s puggable. It’s doable without vent or mumble. And it should be. As a first hurdle to large-group play, I think it’s tuned well. Fights are involved but not pinch-point twitch-reflex OMG SPAM SPAM SPAM *tank death.* For those that just want to spend a few hours every week playing, regular mode raids are going to be fast and fun.
That said, we toggled to Hard mode and got our butts handed to us over and over on just the trash. We got two pulls on the boss and survived… to the enrage timer. We only got the boss down to 35% health. I look forward to banging our heads on that while we gear people up for it.
Another big thing my guild needs to get set up is attendance and roster-stuff. Since regular ops assign loot via computer we haven’t implemented an EP/GP like system though we would like to. In the spirit of full disclosure, I love EP/GP systems because they reward recent activity and, um, I’m a huge nerd with 100% raid attendance. But one thing I wonder about will be the popularity of alts. Once we get into hardmodes I see it being less of a potential problem but last night our ops leader rolled randomly to see who sat and one person’s “main” lost out to an “alt” (because their main was a healer and we were already full there). It worked out in the end; another person dropped out to do some RL stuff, but I’m curious how other guilds are handling things like this. Until we get dual-spec (and even once we do, to a point) it’s easier to bring an alt to stay flexible than it is to change the role of your main.
Especially with the prevalance of tier gear. If you want to optimize, you’ll be carrying around two sets of tier gear. It’s a lot to ask of, say, tanks, for some fights are one-tankable and others aren’t.
These aren’t new complications, though. MMO-players have been wrestling with roles, gear, and whatnot for years. TOR may end up working out socially like top-end raiding guilds in WoW. Or it might not. We’ll have to see how it shakes out.
Have you jumped into Ops yet? What kind of raiding have you done/do you want to do?